....truck is maybe worth $25k and box is about $35k and they are upside-down on this big time in a market that is dying or dead!......even the racing part is pizz poor now.....I got companies that are dying by the day and the only way to keep up payments is to cut back employees and have the bosses do the work again[upchucking-noise in background].....guys that have done custom work are feeling the pinch[high line/high end stuff]....BUT when the big Whale comes to visit it is time to set the hook and don't let then off.....and never let a buyer leave the premises with out a positive reaction...........many builders have a miserable sales department and the sales department is killing them.....negotiate prices and trim the fluff/juju/filigree of anybody that knows what they are doing/buying/has an education in vehicle costs......cookie cutters are all selling out to THOR so if you buy a RV from them you are getting cardboard left over form Katrina trailers......hehehehe....geofkaye